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		<title>Some thoughts on permutations</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 23 May 2010 03:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Scott Phillips</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<a href="http://www.the3nr.com/2010/05/22/some-thoughts-on-permutations/" title="Some thoughts on permutations"></a>One thing that has annoyed me a lot recently is the proliferation of a million rapid fire permutations in the 2AC. These things work because oftentimes the other team won&#8217;t here them all, or the judge will allow the affirmative &#8230;<p class="read-more"><a href="http://www.the3nr.com/2010/05/22/some-thoughts-on-permutations/">Read more &#187;</a></p>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<a href="http://www.the3nr.com/2010/05/22/some-thoughts-on-permutations/" title="Some thoughts on permutations"></a><p>One thing that has annoyed me a lot recently is the proliferation of a million rapid fire permutations in the 2AC. These things work because oftentimes the other team won&#8217;t here them all, or the judge will allow the affirmative to clarify later in the 1AR/2AR what the 3 words said in the 2AC meant and how that avoids the net benefit. So I&#8217;ve put together some thoughts on how judges should evaluate permutations and how debaters should respond to them.</p>
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<p>Some thoughts on Judging permutations</p>
<p>1. The permutation is really the only argument in debate that judges require no explanation about whatsoever. Even topicality, if extended without an explicit voting issue, judges will have no qualms ignoring. Permutations on the other hand, are just assumed to be important without any impact analysis by the aff at all. Conditionality bad- you have to explain why the negative running a conditional counterplan is illegitimate. That a counterplan has to be &#8220;competitive&#8221; and that a 3 word argument can prove that it isn&#8217;t is just generally assumed. It may seem silly to require the aff to explain why a permutation matters, but the system we use now is clearly broken. Judges default to thinking that it is the neg&#8217;s burden to prove both A. the permutation is illegitimate and or links to the net benefit and B. that the net benefit to doing the CP alone is meaningful/outweighs a solvency deficit. In a certain sense, this being the neg burden is reasonable. But when combined with the fact that the average permutation is &lt; 10 words, and that judges give the aff serious leeway in explaining what &#8220;do both&#8221; means in later speeches this burden is entirely unreasonable. One or the other needs to change. Either</p>
<p>A. there needs to be an expectation that a permutation requires a certain level of coherent explanation before it becomes an argument</p>
<p>or</p>
<p>B. The presumption should be negative that the perm is illegitimate/links to the net benefit until  the aff makes an argument as to why it isn&#8217;t/doesn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>2. If you were unable to flow the text of the permutation because it was so short/fast and the debater moved onto the next argument so quickly, don&#8217;t credit it as an argument. I have been on quite a few panels recently where the judges didn&#8217;t get the perms in the 2AC, had no idea what argument the 1AR extended, and then voted aff after an OK 2AR because the neg didn&#8217;t do a good job explaining why the CP was competitive. Now granted, the neg could have been more aggressive in saying &#8220;this isn&#8217;t a coherent argument&#8221; or they could of asked in CX, but why is that their burden? I don&#8217;t think on any issue other than a permutation would the neg be given this kind of leeway.</p>
<p>3. A ridiculous/illegitimate counterplan should not lower the threshold for voting on a permutation. Some CP&#8217;s, say consult, are ridiculous. Lopez is another good example. Their ridiculousness doesn&#8217;t necessarily stem from their lack of competition. A well worded lopez CP text that bans the plan correctly is undeniably mutually exclusive. It is still ridiculous because it creates a new fake federal government and has that federal government do the plan. It should be defeated easily by the aff on a theory argument, not a permutation. Many people I have judged with however view a bit of neg fiat egregiousness as carte blanche to vote on awfully explained permutations that just don&#8217;t make sense. Obviously you can judge however you want, and if you want to write in your JP that is how you work fine, but no one does. Not explaining that you do and then judging this way is about as legit as lopez.</p>
<p>For 2ns</p>
<p>1. You should all write the following blocks</p>
<p>-short unexplained/vague perms are illegit</p>
<p>-presumption on perms should go neg as a meta level fw- including its aff burden to prove legit/avoids nb</p>
<p>Together they should take about 25 seconds to read. Reading these every round you go for  CP and the 2AC does the 3 perms in 2 seconds strat will save you from untold headaches later.</p>
<p>2. think about/plan for how to handle it in the 2NR when the 1AR radically changes/develops a permutation. Most 2N&#8217;s just say &#8220;this is new reject it&#8221; and move on, which isn&#8217;t enough for most judges. You need to think through a well explained objection to what happened, and then think about how you are going to answer it substantively. An example of this is with any agent CP and timeframes for when different agents act. A classic aff shenanigan is to just say &#8220;do both&#8221; in the 2Ac and then in the 1AR make a series of arguments about how different response times from different agents mean that the perm is something other than immediate simultaneous action by both agents. This has been going on for the last 2 decades, and yet few coaches/debaters spend time thinking about these issues and how to deal with them in the 2NR. Remember the permutation is always going to be the most threating argument from the aff- both because of its actual utility and the importance judges attribute to it.</p>
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		<title>Defending The Affirmative: Tips For Answering Multi-Plank Counterplans</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 20:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Bill Batterman</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<a href="http://www.the3nr.com/2010/03/09/defending-the-affirmative-tips-for-answering-multi-plank-counterplans/" title="Defending The Affirmative: Tips For Answering Multi-Plank Counterplans"></a>An increasingly popular negative strategy in high school debate over the past two seasons has centered around the multi-plank counterplan. Most often associated with Michigan State University at the college level, the multi-plank counterplan is presented as a single off-case &#8230;<p class="read-more"><a href="http://www.the3nr.com/2010/03/09/defending-the-affirmative-tips-for-answering-multi-plank-counterplans/">Read more &#187;</a></p>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<a href="http://www.the3nr.com/2010/03/09/defending-the-affirmative-tips-for-answering-multi-plank-counterplans/" title="Defending The Affirmative: Tips For Answering Multi-Plank Counterplans"></a><p>An increasingly popular negative strategy in high school debate over the past two seasons has centered around the multi-plank counterplan. Most often associated with Michigan State University at the college level, the multi-plank counterplan is presented as a single off-case position that includes two or more &#8220;planks&#8221; in its text. Instead of presenting multiple counterplans as separate off-case positions, in other words, the multi-plank counterplan presents them as a single argument. </p>
<p>Typically composed of multiple policy options aimed at solving all or part of the affirmative case while avoiding a disadvantage that links only to the plan but not the counterplan, the multi-plank counterplan is now commonplace in high-level debates and has become a potent weapon in the negative&#8217;s strategic arsenal. </p>
<p>Affirmative teams that fail to adapt and keep up with this negative innovation are putting themselves behind the proverbial eight ball. This article is an attempt to help affirmative debaters effectively respond to the multi-plank counterplan and construct a winning strategy to defeat it.</p>
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<p><strong>Approach Cross-Examination Strategically</strong></p>
<p>The cross-examination of the 1NC is particularly important in debates involving a multi-plank counterplan.</p>
<p>First, the disposition of the counterplan needs to be established. Is the counterplan a single position? Or can each individual plank (or combinations thereof) be extended or discarded? Asking for the disposition of the counterplan is not enough; &#8220;conditional&#8221; or &#8220;dispositional&#8221; needs to be clarified further for the affirmative to intelligently choose the best strategy for responding to the specific multi-plank counterplan against which they are debating.</p>
<p>Second, the net-benefit(s) to the counterplan need to be clarified and often contested. Is the politics disadvantage the only net-benefit to the counterplan? If so, <em>why</em> does the plan but not the counterplan trigger the link? The affirmative can get a lot of mileage out of a good cross-examination on the veracity of the negative&#8217;s intended link distinction.</p>
<p>Third, the solvency of the counterplan should often be questioned. What does a given plank <em>do</em> and why does that action solve the internal link(s) to the affirmative&#8217;s advantage(s)? Because multi-plank counterplans often include a &#8220;plank of the week&#8221; to solve common affirmative impacts, it is likely that the first negative will have little familiarity with the mechanics of the counterplan and the details of its solvency claims. In this way, a good cross-examination of a 1NC on a multi-plank counterplan will mirror a good cross-examination of a 1AC—setting up evidence indicts, investigating missing internal links, highlighting inconsistencies in context, etc. are all effective techniques.</p>
<p><strong>Develop A Persuasive Theoretical Objection</strong></p>
<p>Judges differ greatly in their opinions of multi-plank counterplans: some judges find them inelegant and absurd while others celebrate their strategic value for the negative. With the possible exception of the extreme neg flex fringe, however, the vast majority of judges will be amenable to well-articulated theoretical objections tailored to the specific multi-plank counterplan being debated.</p>
<p>There are two basic approaches that the affirmative should take depending on the specific situation.</p>
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<p>Develop a theoretical objection to the disposition of the counterplan. Instead of just repeating the same &#8220;conditionality bad&#8221; objection that could be made in any debate, affirmatives should specifically object to the multi-plank nature of conditionality. If the negative argues that each plank of their counterplan is conditional, the 2AC should include a specific theoretical objection to this practice (preferably one that has been prepared in advance and which makes a complete, developed argument). </p>
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<p>Develop a theoretical objection to the multi-agent nature of the counterplan. Multi-plank counterplans often include planks advocating action by several different actors: the federal government, one or more specific branches of the federal government, the 50-states and U.S. territories, the government of another nation, an international organization, etc. A persuasive theoretical objection can be levied against this practice.</p>
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<p>Another theoretical objection that is sometimes levied against multi-plank counterplans is based on the absence of a single solvency advocate for all of its component parts. Because the counterplan as a whole is not advocated in the literature about the plan (or about the affirmative&#8217;s harm area in general), affirmatives argue that they cannot be expected to have prepared a defense against it. While this argument may have some merit, it is almost universally considered unpersuasive when each component plank of the negative&#8217;s counterplan is supported by evidence from a solvency advocate. While affirmative debaters can certainly make this argument, it tends to be perceived more as a &#8220;whine&#8221; than as a serious theoretical objection.</p>
<p>When extending a theoretical objection against a multi-plank counterplan in the 1AR, it is important to tailor one&#8217;s responses to the specific context of the round. While the reasons that conditionality is bad will certainly apply to a conditional multi-plank counterplan, they are not the <em>best</em> arguments the affirmative can advance—at least not without adapting them to highlight the problems inherent in multi-plank counterplans. </p>
<p>In addition, it is important to answer the inevitable negative counter-interpretation—whether it is &#8220;the neg gets one conditional multi-plank counterplan&#8221; or &#8220;the neg gets a conditional multi-plank counterplan as long as each plank has a solvency advocate&#8221; or something else, the negative will undoubtedly attempt to frame <em>their</em> multi-plank counterplan as eminently reasonable and not at all like the <em>unreasonable</em> multi-plank counterplans against which the negative is mounting an objection. </p>
<p>While many judges would scoff at a 1NC that included six conditional advantage counterplans, the same intuition is not as strong when the six conditional advantage counterplans are presented as a single conditional multi-plank counterplan. The key to winning a theoretical objection, then, is to deconstruct the multi-plank counterplan into its component parts and thereby force the judge to consider the argument not as &#8220;one conditional multi-plank counterplan&#8221; (perceptually reasonable) but as &#8220;six conditional counterplans&#8221; (perceptually unreasonable).</p>
<p><strong>Use Permutations Strategically</strong></p>
<p>It is imperative that the affirmative advance a series of permutations that can account for each plank of the counterplan. Too often, affirmative teams only offer a permutation to &#8220;do both,&#8221; inclusive of the plan and all planks of the counterplan. This is not strategic because it leaves the affirmative without the ability to develop a disadvantage to one plank of the counterplan while still capturing the benefits of the other planks. When the only permutation offered is &#8220;do both,&#8221; the negative can argue that the permutation links to the affirmative&#8217;s plank-specific disadvantage and therefore is not net-beneficial.</p>
<p>Instead of advancing only a &#8220;do both&#8221; permutation, the affirmative should present a &#8220;multi-plank do both&#8221; permutation: &#8220;do the plan and any/every combination of counterplan planks&#8221;. While parishioners in the church of neg flex might find this intuitively unfair, it is no different than advancing a permutation to &#8220;do both&#8221; on each of the independent planks of the counterplan. The benefit to this phrasing of the permutation, of course, is that it does not require the affirmative to invest valuable speech time meticulously permuting each plank of the counterplan one-by-one.</p>
<p>The &#8220;multi-plank do both&#8221; permutation can be a powerful tool when combined with offensive arguments against one or more planks of the counterplan. By permuting any/every component plank of the counterplan, the affirmative has enabled themselves to advocate the enactment of the plan and the plank(s) of the counterplan for which they do not have an offensive argument but <em>not</em> the plank(s) of the counterplan for which they <em>do</em> have offense. The negative is then forced to make one of three decisions: extend the counterplan as a whole and outweigh the disadvantage to one or more of its planks, kick the counterplan as a whole, or kick only the plank(s) of the counterplan against which the affirmative has made an offensive argument. Regardless of the choice that they make, the affirmative is in good shape—far better shape than they would have been had they only made a &#8220;do both&#8221; permutation in the 2AC.</p>
<p><strong>Decide When To Read Disadvantages to a Plank</strong></p>
<p>If each plank of the counterplan is independently conditional, the negative has the flexibility to kick out of the plank(s) against which the affirmative has read a disadvantage. As a result, disadvantages to a single plank should not be the core of the affirmative&#8217;s strategy if the negative is presenting their counterplan in this way. Unless the affirmative has strong disadvantages against all of the planks of the counterplan, it is far better in these instances to extend a theoretical objection to multi-plank conditionality. If the goal is to win this theoretical objection, reading a disadvantage to one plank of the counterplan can be helpful as a demonstration of the nefariousness of multi-plank conditionality: when the affirmative presents a disadvantage to one part of the counterplan, the negative can simply ignore it by kicking out of that portion of the counterplan.</p>
<p>If the counterplan <em>as a whole</em> is conditional but not its independent components, then disadvantages to individual planks can be much more valuable. Even if the affirmative only has a disadvantage to two of the negative&#8217;s five planks, the &#8220;multi-plank do both&#8221; permutation can help frame these arguments in a way that they can be favorably weighed against the negative&#8217;s net-benefit. Forcing the negative to choose between kicking the whole counterplan or outweighing the disadvantage(s) to the counterplan with the net-benefit puts the affirmative in a strong position entering the final rebuttals.</p>
<p><strong>Contest Whether The Politics Disadvantage Is A Net-Benefit</strong></p>
<p>The most popular net-benefit to multi-plank counterplans is the politics disadvantage. When deploying this strategy, the negative will read a specific piece of link evidence on the politics disadvantage in the 1NC that applies to the plan but not to any of the planks of the counterplan. The problem, of course, is that the absence of a link to the planks of the counterplan does not mean that there <em>isn&#8217;t</em> a link; the affirmative just needs to tease it out.</p>
<p>Ideally, the affirmative should be prepared with link evidence that can be applied to each plank of the counterplan. While this might seem like an impossible task—after all, the hallmark of the multi-plank counterplan is in many ways its unpredictability—it is easier than most teams seem to think. </p>
<p>First, the affirmative should prepare a politics link to every plank of every advantage counterplan that they have debated during the season. While negative teams often try to stay ahead of the curve by breaking new planks, the reality is that there are a relatively small number of advantage counterplans that an affirmative will debate over-and-over again. There is no excuse for not having a good politics link for each of these counterplans/planks.</p>
<p>Second, the affirmative should prepare links to each of the relevant counterplans produced by summer institutes or disclosed on the NDCA wiki. Even if each specific counterplan is not something a team debates, chances are good that the evidence they have gathered will have utility against other advantage counterplans in the future.</p>
<p>Third, affirmative teams should organize and store copies of politics link backfiles on their computers so that cards can easily be located and read. Many advantage counterplans are recycled from previous topics; this only makes sense—why write a whole new counterplan when the comprehensive research a squad completed in a previous season can be easily retooled? While these recycled counterplans may seem new to current debaters, rest assured that many of them have been exhaustively researched in previous seasons and take advantage of that research as part of your preparation.</p>
<p>Finally, the affirmative should collect a set of generic link arguments that are broadly applicable against a wide variety of policy proposals. When all else fails and the negative reads a plank against which no specific link was researched, the 2AC can fall back on these generic arguments to establish a link. Evidence making arguments like &#8220;legislation saps political capital,&#8221; &#8220;every new initiative distracts focus,&#8221; &#8220;spending money is controversial,&#8221; etc. can be incredibly valuable parts of the affirmative&#8217;s politics toolbox.</p>
<p>In addition to preparing links of their own, affirmative teams should capitalize when the negative reads links in the 2NC or 1NR that are not as specific to the plan as the link presented in the 1NC. While the negative&#8217;s first-line card might be very specific to the plan, there is a good chance that their second-line cards are not. If this is the case, the 1AR should connect the planks of the counterplan to the warrants in the negative&#8217;s new link evidence. Few teams have the argumentative discipline and high-quality evidence necessary to sustain a hyper-specific link to the politics disadvantage through the negative block; when they fall back onto more generic link claims, the affirmative should take advantage and capitalize.</p>
<p>Whether the planks of the counterplan link to the politics disadvantage is important, but perhaps more so is the extent to which a difference in the relative links to the plan and the counterplan is important. If both the plan and the counterplan link to the disadvantage but the plan links slightly more, should the judge vote negative because there is a greater risk of the disadvantage? In too many debates, the affirmative allows the negative to characterize the debate in this way and therefore earn the ballot even when both the plan and the counterplan link to the disadvantage. Instead of ceding this important framing issue to the negative, affirmatives should argue that relative differences in the magnitude of the link are irrelevant so long as both links are sufficient to overcome uniqueness. </p>
<p>For example, the negative might argue that a climate change bill will pass the Senate in the status quo but that the plan will derail this initiative by sapping the President&#8217;s political capital. If the affirmative wins that the counterplan saps the President&#8217;s political capital enough to derail the climate change bill, it doesn&#8217;t matter if the plan saps the President&#8217;s political capital <em>more</em>—the only question is whether the link is strong enough to overcome uniqueness. Once that threshold is crossed, the relative strength of the link to the plan versus the link to the counterplan is irrelevant.</p>
<p><strong>Know When To Give Up Hope Of Winning A Solvency Deficit</strong></p>
<p>The most common response made by the 2AC to a multi-plank counterplan is a solvency deficit argument: the counterplan does not solve the case, it is argued, because the plan is key. This explanation is rarely comparative; most often, the 2A simply repeats the thesis of their advantage(s) while asserting that the plan is therefore &#8220;key&#8221;. This is not enough. The fact that the plan might be one way of capturing an advantage does not mean that it is the <em>only</em> way. Unless the affirmative combines their &#8220;plan solves the advantage&#8221; claims with an explanation for why the counterplan does <em>not</em> solve the advantage, they have not presented a complete argument; &#8220;the counterplan does not solve because the plan <em>does</em> solve,&#8221; while common, does not meet this threshold.</p>
<p>Ideally, the affirmative will be prepared with evidence that specifically contests the ability of each plank of the counterplan to solve. Realistically, this is not always the case: sometimes the negative catches a team off-guard and leaves them with no substantive responses to one or more planks of the counterplan. The affirmative should do their best not to allow this to happen, but it is not the end of the world. The key to overcoming this kind of situation is to acknowledge early on that winning a meaningful solvency deficit for one or more advantages will be difficult if not impossible. </p>
<p>Instead of wasting valuable speech time repeating losing solvency deficit arguments, affirmatives should focus on beating the net-benefit or on winning a theoretical objection. In the end, even a well-articulated solvency deficit is only helpful when the affirmative can mitigate the impact of the net-benefit; when the affirmative&#8217;s solvency deficit explanation is weak, decisively defeating the net-benefit becomes even more imperative. </p>
<p>Knowing when to commit to winning a meaningful solvency deficit and when to abandon ship in favor of other arguments is vital. Teams whose strategy against a multi-plank counterplan is always centered on winning a solvency deficit are unnecessarily constraining their options and making things easy on the negative.</p>
<p><strong>Conclusion</strong></p>
<p>The multi-plank counterplan can be a powerful tool in the negative&#8217;s strategic arsenal. By presenting several advantage counterplans that attempt to solve the case, these positions can make it very difficult for the affirmative to win a credible solvency deficit that is not outweighed by even a minimal risk of a net-benefit. In order to catch up with this negative innovation, affirmative teams need to improve the quality of their responses and strategically rethink the way they approach multi-plank counterplans.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Phillips</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<a href="http://www.the3nr.com/2009/08/26/throwdown-pics-bad-2/" title="Throwdown- Pics Bad"></a>This post will be in more 1AR form than nuanced explanation. Extend our offense- pics artificially inflate bad disads by creating any risk of a link analysis which skews research and pre round prep focus. We&#8217;ll defend the whole plan, &#8230;<p class="read-more"><a href="http://www.the3nr.com/2009/08/26/throwdown-pics-bad-2/">Read more &#187;</a></p>]]></description>
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<p>This post will be in more 1AR form than nuanced explanation.</p>
<p>Extend our offense- pics artificially inflate bad disads by creating any risk of a link analysis which skews research and pre round prep focus. We&#8217;ll defend the whole plan, but forcing us to defend isolated parts in a vacuum is unpredictable and doesn&#8217;t reflect real world literature. There is no logical limit to pics- they can change the scope or implementation of the plan in unpredictable ways.</p>
<p>AT: Fix your plan</p>
<p>-no plan is immune to pics, you can&#8217;t just &#8220;fix&#8221; it. Fixing involves making the plan as vague as possible like &#8220;provide water africa&#8221; a la the hooch 2 years ago that are bad for education.</p>
<p>AT: You were just defending consult</p>
<p>-This is a blog about switch side debate.</p>
<p>AT: Who runs these 1 penny counterplans</p>
<p>-Lots of people run CP&#8217;s like grandfather 10% of the permits that the aff is never prepared for, they have solvency advocates and people win on them.</p>
<p>AT: Solvency Advocates check</p>
<p>-Empirically denied- judges are unwilling to firmly hold the neg to this standard- just having a link card is usually good enough. Proliferation of internet blogs (and law review footnotes) allow cards to be found for anything</p>
<p>AT:If solvency advocates exist and net benefits exist, then maybe it’s a real question in the literature.</p>
<p>-&#8221;real question&#8221; does not equal- far and good for debate. There are lots of &#8220;real questions&#8221; like how are we going to pay for this that in debate we chose to ignore</p>
<p>AT:The counterplan tests whether the Aff would be a better idea if done slightly differently</p>
<p>-If your disad is not enough to outweigh the case, it sucks. Why should we give the neg a mechanism to make crappy arguments round winners? Sounds a lot like you are defending a K JC&#8230;</p>
<p>AT:The damage to the 2AC strategy is done? What strategy are you talking about?</p>
<p>-a good 2ac will not read offense solved by the pic because that would be a waste of time, if the negative then has the CP go away due to theory the aff is left without some of their best arguments</p>
<p>AT:Reciprocal – they inflate the solvency deficit to the same degree. If you can’t win that this outweighs the disad it means either the CP isn’t competitive or you deserve to lose.</p>
<p>-This is false- its easier to construe a net benefit with an impact &#8220;including roy in the HC provided by the plan is unpopular&#8221; then it is to win a solvency deficit &#8220;providing for roy is key to solve&#8221;.</p>
<p>AT:A strong 1NC barrage of defensive case arguments and DAs that turn the case accomplishes the same effect</p>
<p>-Yes it does, it takes 10X as much time as reading a 1 sentence cp text which makes it different</p>
<p>AT:This argument also justifies banning all CPs because they force you to make certain solvency deficit arguments and not others</p>
<p>-False, you can use your whole plan as offense against non plan inclusive cps</p>
<p>AT: This neg ability to focus on a specific part of the plan is justified by the aff ability to set the focus of the entire debate</p>
<p>-It does not logically follow that because the aff picked X the neg gets to pick a subset of X-this is a claim without a warrant</p>
<p>AT: See above – aff gets to choose their side in almost every PIC debate. “penny saved” counterplans aren’t viable because the neg can’t win that the DA outweighs the solvency deficit</p>
<p>-This is empirically denied- gfather example above, font pics, word pics, exclude a state, exclude a sub group like natives the list goes on an on</p>
<p>AT: Roy’s counterplans are stupid for reasons other than that they’re PICs, they’re either only textually or not competitive. This logic is the equivalent of banning DAs because you think politics is stupid</p>
<p>- you are hinting at some standard for competition that &#8220;only allows the good ones&#8221; but you conveniently leave it out because it doesn&#8217;t exist. This is the classic problem with PICS, one out of 100 is good/fair/the center of the debate about that aff- the rest are nonsense.</p>
<p>AT: “Using a different mechanism” is the same as a PIC+an additional plank</p>
<p>-No-  USFG do cap and trade vs Japan inject iron oxide into oceans. I think you are trying to say &#8220;including the agent makes it a pic&#8221; which I think is arguable- it includes none of the plan ACTION. I don&#8217;t think if a cp that has a different agent doing a different action includes 1 word or 1 letter or is in the same font as the plan that makes it a pic.</p>
<p>AT: the alternative energy PIC is an example of a “different mechanism” CP.</p>
<p>-Its the exact same mechanism, it just uses a different name</p>
<p>AT:</p>
<p>Running the net-benefit without the CP is overly constraining – proving that the plan is sub-optimal and that a viable, competitive alternative exists negates the aff. To answer this statement you’d have to argue neg fiat bad, and that (or even just no PICs) would regress us to 1960s, Greg Varley era debate where the aff always wins.</p>
<p>-It &#8220;overly constrains&#8221; bad arguments with low probabilities, true. PICS bad does not logically rely on no neg fiat, you have no warrant for that claim.</p>
<p>AT:</p>
<p>(to use a real world analogy, the argument that the fact that the plan is an improvement over the SQ is a sufficient reason to merit adoption would hold no water. see the health care debate – rational policymakers don’t adopt policies if better alternatives that are smaller than the plan exist. If the public option PIC succeeds, Obama loses.)</p>
<p>-Yes look at the real world- these kind of minor counter proposals suck and guarantee nothing ever gets done. But more importantly there are constraints in debate like the topic and time which make this model a bad one to import.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Phillips</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<a href="http://www.the3nr.com/2009/08/02/the-states-cp/" title="The States CP"></a>As is becoming an annoying trend, Stefan has beaten me to the punch on a how to debate the states CP post- you can read it here http://www.planetdebate.com/blogs/view/357 For an aff perspective here are some posts I made last year &#8230;<p class="read-more"><a href="http://www.the3nr.com/2009/08/02/the-states-cp/">Read more &#187;</a></p>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<a href="http://www.the3nr.com/2009/08/02/the-states-cp/" title="The States CP"></a><p>As is becoming an annoying trend, Stefan has beaten me to the punch on a how to debate the states CP post- you can read it here http://www.planetdebate.com/blogs/view/357</p>
<p>For an aff perspective here are some posts I made last year</p>
<p>http://spdebate.blogspot.com/2008/07/states-cp-part-1.html</p>
<p>http://spdebate.blogspot.com/2008/07/states-cp-part-2-theory.html</p>
<p>http://spdebate.blogspot.com/2008/09/states-cp-part-3-thinking-strategically.html</p>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Phillips</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<a href="http://www.the3nr.com/2009/05/24/there-are-in-fact-stupid-questions/" title="There Are In Fact Stupid Questions"></a>And stupid people who ask them. 1. What does dispositionality mean? If you are asking this question, or are answering with anything other than &#8220;if you make a permutation or a theory argument other than dispositionality bad we can kick &#8230;<p class="read-more"><a href="http://www.the3nr.com/2009/05/24/there-are-in-fact-stupid-questions/">Read more &#187;</a></p>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<a href="http://www.the3nr.com/2009/05/24/there-are-in-fact-stupid-questions/" title="There Are In Fact Stupid Questions"></a><p>And stupid people who ask them.</p>
<p>1. What does dispositionality mean? If you are asking this question, or are answering with anything other than &#8220;if you make a permutation or a theory argument other than dispositionality bad we can kick the cp&#8221; you are stupid. I don&#8217;t know when or where someone had the idea that it was ok to just make this mean whatever you want it to mean like &#8220;if you read only offense&#8221; or &#8220;if you straight turn the net benefit&#8221; but I would bet it happened in stupidville.  The meaning if dispo is logical- it stems from the idea of opportunity cost. Since competition is the link to the cp, if you challenge the link we can kick it just like if u challenge the link to a disad and then impact turn it. So from now on, if someone asks &#8220;what is the status of the CP&#8221; instead of saying &#8220;its dispo&#8221; say &#8220;its stupid and arbitrary nonsense-acality&#8221;.</p>
<p>2. &#8220;What is the status of (any part) of the K&#8221;. Once someone reads a K it should be obvious that they are a sneaky trickster and you should be making theory arguments anyway. Even if the alternative is &#8220;unconditional&#8221; that doesn&#8217;t mean anything because even though they are stuck going for &#8220;it&#8221;, the &#8220;it&#8221; they go for in the 2NR will bear little/no resemblance to the &#8220;it&#8221; of the 1NC cx. Please stop wasting all of our lives. I did some math:</p>
<p>I judge around 130 debates a year (excluding camp which would make this ridiculous).</p>
<p>50% involve a K= 65.</p>
<p>I would say at least 1 minute is spent in those debates cxing or asking during prep time about the alternative, so say 65 minutes (this is conservative).</p>
<p>Things I would rather do with that hour</p>
<p>-watch an episode of Golden Girls and Keeping up with the Kardashians back to back</p>
<p>-Have my tonsils removed sans anesthesia</p>
<p>-be hunted by another human a la the most dangerous game</p>
<p>-be warmed by the innards of a tonton while Han set up the shelter, and I thought they smelled bad on the outside&#8230;</p>
<p>That means every year I am wasting an hour of my life listening to inane cross x questions that are totally unnecessary. So for everyone out there, I will answer them all now</p>
<p>&#8220;Does the alternative solve the case?&#8221; -Obviously not chuckles, but we will make a string of stupid arguments about why it does and you will drop them</p>
<p>&#8220;who is the agent of the alternative&#8221;- I can&#8217;t tell you till the 2NR because I don&#8217;t know what the alternative will be untill then- but probably everyone on earth holding hands, so I would say all hands.</p>
<p>&#8220;what is the status of the alternative&#8221; -Its &#8220;dropisitional&#8221;- if at any point you drop a 2 word argument about the alternative we will then claim u dropped our floating pic/fiat world peace/make war impossible alternative&#8221;</p>
<p>/discussion</p>
<p>3. Does your link assume&#8230;.- no , it obviously doesn&#8217;t assume anything let alone your plan. This applies to all disads/anything with a link. If links assumed things we could just insta sign all ballots neg and dispense with the silly debates. Obviously no cards talk about anything becasue debate is contrived and stupid.</p>
<p>4. &#8220;what does your 1NC have to say about this 2AC argument&#8221;- no explanation needed.</p>
<p>5.  Silly rhetorical questions used to begin a K- again, no explanation needed.</p>
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