Even More TOC Trivia: Non-Seniors in Elimination Rounds, Part 2

Can’t get enough TOC history? “More TOC Trivia: Non-Seniors in the Elimination Rounds Since 1995” prompted several questions that merited a follow-up. How many non-seniors have reached the final round of the TOC? The semifinals? How have they done as seniors? Who has won the most elimination rounds at the TOC? The answers (again, since 1995) are below the fold.

Non-Senior Final Round Appearances

Since 1995, nine of the 17 final rounds of the TOC have featured four seniors. Only one TOC—2010—did not include at least one senior (2003 came close with three juniors and one senior). The breakdown of final rounds is as follows:

1995: Senior-Senior over Senior-Senior
1996: Senior-Senior over Senior-Senior
1997: Senior-Senior over Senior-Senior
1998: Senior-Junior over Senior-Junior
1999: Senior-Senior over Senior-Senior
2000: Senior-Junior over Senior-Senior
2001: Senior-Senior over Senior-Junior
2002: Senior-Senior over Senior-Senior
2003: Junior-Junior over Senior-Junior
2004: Senior-Senior over Senior-Senior
2005: Senior-Sophomore over Senior-Senior
2006: Senior-Junior over Senior-Senior
2007: Senior-Senior over Senior-Sophomore
2008: Senior-Senior over Senior-Senior
2009: Senior-Senior over Senior-Senior
2010: Junior-Junior over Junior-Sophomore
2011: Senior-Senior over Senior-Senior

Non-Senior TOC Champions

Seven students have won the TOC championship as a junior including two junior-junior teams: College Prep’s Eli Anders and Michael Burshteyn in 2003 and Westminster’s Ellis Allen and Daniel Taylor in 2010. The complete list is as follows:

  1. 1998: Todd Fine — Glenbrook South (debating with senior Adam Goldstein), reached the quarterfinals as a senior
  2. 2000: Jordan Pietzsch — Greenhill (debating with senior Asher Haig), reached the octafinals as a senior
  3. 2003: Eli Anders — College Prep (debating with junior Michael Burshteyn), reached the finals as a senior
  4. 2003: Michael Burshteyn — College Prep (debating with junior Eli Anders), reached the finals as a senior
  5. 2006: Matthew Andrews — Greenhill (debating with senior Stephen Polley), reached the semifinals as a senior
  6. 2010: Ellis Allen — Westminster (debating with junior Daniel Taylor), won the championship as a senior
  7. 2010: Daniel Taylor — Westminster (debating with junior Ellis Allen), won the championship as a senior

Of these seven, only Westminster AT managed to repeat as champions during their senior season.

Only one debater has won the TOC as a sophomore:

  1. 2005: Stephen Weil — Westminster (debating with senior Anusha Deshpande), reached the quarterfinals as a junior and the finals as a senior

Non-Senior Runners-Up

Four additional juniors have reached the final round. Interestingly, none of the four were able to make it past the quarterfinals as seniors:

  1. 1998: Caitlin Talmadge — Greenhill (debating with senior Andrew Bradt), reached the quarterfinals as a senior
  2. 2001: Avery Dale — Woodward Academy (debating with senior Peter Miller), reached the quarterfinals as a senior
  3. 2003: Maggie Ahn — Greenhill (debating with senior Saad Hussein), did not clear at the TOC as a senior
  4. 2010: Alex Miles — St. Mark’s (debating with sophomore Rishee Batra), reached the quarterfinals as a senior

Two sophomores have also been finalists at the TOC:

  1. 2007: Anshu Sathian — Westminster (debating with senior Stephen Weil), did not clear as a junior and won the championship as a senior
  2. 2010: Rishee Batra — St. Mark’s (debating with junior Alex Miles), reached the quarterfinals as a junior

Non-Senior Semifinalists

Since 1995, 18 juniors have reached the semifinals at the TOC (in addition to the seven champions and four runners-up). The complete list is as follows:

  1. 1995: Jeff McNabb — Katy Taylor (debating with senior Justin Green), reached the finals as a senior
  2. 1997: Adam Goldstein — Glenbrook South (debating with senior Brad Helfand), won the championship as a senior
  3. 1999: Michael Beckley — College Prep (debating with senior Jonathan Neril), reached the quarterfinals as a senior
  4. 2000: Peter Miller — Woodward Academy (debating with sophomore Avery Dale), reached the finals as a senior
  5. 2000: Sameer Asher — Caddo Magnet (debating with junior Nermin Ghali), reached the quarterfinals as a senior
  6. 2000: Nermin Ghali — Caddo Magnet (debating with junior Sameer Asher), reached the quarterfinals as a senior
  7. 2001: Josh Branson — St. Mark’s (debating with junior Michael Martin), reached the finals as a senior
  8. 2001: Michael Martin — St. Mark’s (debating with junior Josh Branson), reached the finals as a senior
  9. 2002: Andrea Reed — Highland Park (debating with junior Brett Wallace), did not clear as a senior
  10. 2002: Brett Wallace — Highland Park (debating with junior Andrea Read), did not debate at TOC as a senior
  11. 2003: Jake Ziering — Glenbrook North (debating with senior Matt Finegold), won the championship as a senior
  12. 2004: John Warden — Chattahoochee (debating with senior Julie Hoehn), reached the finals as a senior
  13. 2005: Aliya Bhatia — Woodward Academy (debating with senior Seth Gannon), did not clear as a senior
  14. 2006: Matt Fisher — Glenbrook North (debating with senior Greg Friend), won the championship as a senior
  15. 2007: Bryant Huang — Greenhill (debating with senior Matthew Andrews), reached the octafinals as a senior
  16. 2009: Reid Ehrlich-Quinn — Damien (debating with senior Sean Hernandez), did not clear as a senior
  17. 2009: Layne Kirshon — Kinkaid (debating with senior Craig Smyser), reached the semifinals as a senior
  18. 2010: Nikhil Bontha — Kinkaid (debating with senior Layne Kirshon), reached the quarterfinals as a senior
  19. 2010: Anna Dimitrijevic — Carrollton (debating with senior Helen Gomez), reached the octafinals as a senior

Two additional students reached the semifinals as sophomores:

  1. 2000: Avery Dale — Woodward Academy (debating with junior Peter Miller), reached the finals as a junior and the quarterfinals as a senior
  2. 2005: Matthew Andrews — Highland Park (debating with senior Sam Iola), won the championship as a junior and reached the semifinals as a senior

Most Elim Wins At The TOC

The following students have won the most elimination rounds at the TOC since 1995:

  1. Ellis Allen — Westminster (8)
  2. Matthew Andrews — Highland Park/Greenhill (8)
  3. Daniel Taylor — Westminster (8)
  4. Stephen Weil — Westminster (8)
  5. Eli Anders — College Prep (7)
  6. Michael Burshteyn — College Prep (7)
  7. Anshu Sathian — Westminster (7)
  8. Avery Dale — Woodward (6)
  9. Anusha Deshpande — Westminster (6)
  10. Todd Fine — Woodward/Glenbrook South (6)
  11. Matt Fisher — Glenbrook North (6)
  12. Adam Goldstein — Glenbrook South (6)
  13. Jake Ziering — Glenbrook North (6)

As always, corrections are welcome — please contact the author.

14 thoughts on “Even More TOC Trivia: Non-Seniors in Elimination Rounds, Part 2

  1. ANON

    dude, billy b, no one really CARES. Dont you have anything else to do? I mean, its cool and all, but really?

        1. ANON

          yea, i mean I acknowledged that it was cool, but we all know that these debaters rock, we don't need detailed charts to confirm it.

          1. ANON

            dude, calm down. Why do you need this? To see that you're probably not as good as these debaters? Using derogatory language is probably not necessary to further you're point.

  2. Whit

    Anonymity is sooo cool. The internet version of liquid courage. I especially loved the comment in another thread where one anonymous poster got angry that their posts were being conflated with other anonymous posters (lolz… I want all the benefits of an individual identity without any of the consequences of attribution). Debate is awesome because it provides us with a safe space to express controversial ideas without being tied to them outside of the debate. Unfortunately some of us think that safety should extend beyond the classroom. In the real world, you're held accountable for your words and actions. Also, you aren't as anonymous as you assume. IP addresses from your comments give the people who run this site a pretty good idea of who you are.

    1. Antonucci23

      I agree that anonymity is bad.

      But…

      "IP addresses from your comments give the people who run this site a pretty good idea of who you are."

      I don't think it's cricket to track posters through their IP addresses??

      Seems a little invasive. I'd prefer eliminating anonymity to playing IP-based guessing games.

      Not a huge deal either way, though. I understand that anyone who fails to understand IP addresses is getting their Darwinian reward, but the prospect of site admins poring over address logs is a little disquieting.

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